6/24/2009 2:12:57 PM From: MrsK What? But Chi, don't you know that there is no racism anymore and that anyone who states that there is, is just trying to play victim? I mean really!
This is a very sad story. And ten days in jail is SHIT for punishment. He is 18. That is an adult crime committed by an adult person. Not that I am an advocate for insane sentences or anything, but he should at the very least have gotten a year and been charged with assault and battery. Aggravated. |  |
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6/24/2009 2:13:18 PM From: Chi First of all, at 18 you are no longer a juvenile. The victim is under 18 yet they have no problem giving out all of his information. And wtf is up with 10 measly days and the other jackasses not being convicted at all?? Seems like this jackass and his friends are not the only racist idiots in town.
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| 6/24/2009 2:14:54 PM From: Chi MK - I agree. | |
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6/24/2009 2:25:23 PM From: BCAR The fact is they were out to hang the half white part out of guilt as restitution. Or they were a bunch of assholes who comitted what amounts to in the legal world simple assault, no gun involved.
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6/24/2009 2:27:47 PM From: MrsK Pardon me, but that is not simple assualt. The attempt as announced by the crowd was murder. You don't hang someone unless you intend to kill them. A noose in this case was used as a weapon. Therefore it is assult with a weapon.
Why sue? Because 10 days in county jail is not a punishment. It is a fuking picnic. | |
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6/24/2009 2:29:29 PM From: BCAR Reading the whole story the guy ended up pleading to "ethnic intimidation" whatever that is, I would have guessed assault. But again from what I read, no one got punched, kicked, hit with a club, cut with a knife, threatened or shot with a gun.
Saying you're going to hang someone and doing it are two different things. And if this was a bunch of black kids and a white kids I'd say the same. | |
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6/24/2009 2:31:08 PM From: Chi Yeah, no big deal, right, BCAR? Boys being boys, huh. Nice to know your outlook on things. I'm not that surprised though.
Why are they suing the city? Perhaps because of their city appointed judge and his dumb ass judgement. The city's failure to investigate & arrest the other little racists? | |
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| 6/24/2009 2:31:18 PM From: BCAR Well I'm not a lawyer or a judge MrsK, but I can say right now I intend to hang you. Good luck getting an attempted murder charge out of that. I think attempted murder would require an attempt would it not? | |
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6/24/2009 2:34:38 PM From: BCAR With you two anything less than me calling for their immediate lethal injection and a 20 million dollar judgement to family wouldn't cut it anyway.
I would sumbit that you are the ones letting race color your judgement. | |
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6/24/2009 2:35:29 PM From: MrsK Really? I'll have to go and find that post about the blac students who ganged up on the white students and see if that is accurate B. I distinctly remember an argument over that story too.
That aside, assault is assault when it is IN the charge. Lets have some guy drag you around the parking lot by a noose and see if you think he is just playing with you, or if you think he has the intent to do something far worse.
I know someone who was charged with attempted murder because of what they thought his INTENT was. SADLY he is a black man, so I guess that made his INTENT far more obvious. *note sarcasm* | |
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| 6/24/2009 2:38:20 PM From: MrsK Oh Bullshit BCAR, and I can prove it. Before you even replied to this I said a fitting punishment would be one year in jail/prison. I don't go for those insanely hard sentences. ESPECIALLY if this guy was a first time offender. BUT a hearty punishment is due. Not ten days in the clink. | |
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| 6/24/2009 2:40:52 PM From: ImWithStupid Intent can be inferred by circumstantial and direct evidence. The suspect/defendant/dirtbag doesn't have to come out and say, "my intent was to do...". |  |
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6/24/2009 2:40:57 PM From: BCAR I think we need some witness statements for this whole attack. Menacing and intimidation don't sound much like a physical attack to me. If the kid was attacked then by all means make them pay. I wasn't there, BTW neither were you.
The story above is pretty damn thin and all from one side.
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| 6/24/2009 2:42:40 PM From: BCAR Besides this was posted looking for an arguement and a little victim mongering. You got your wish. | |
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| 6/24/2009 2:43:09 PM From: MrsK Ummm, what part of the did you miss? The part where the kid was DRAGGED around by a NOOSE??? | |
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| 6/24/2009 2:43:54 PM From: MrsK See Chi - racism doesn't really exist. Only in the REAL world. | |
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| 6/24/2009 2:45:55 PM From: MrsK The FACT (and this is a FACT) is that had this been done the other way around, you would have a latino or black guy serving prison time, and the chances are he would be serving one HELL of a long sentence. | |
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| 6/24/2009 2:47:55 PM From: BCAR Let's all sing "We shall overcome" | |
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| 6/24/2009 2:52:06 PM From: BCAR "dubbed the state's Most Livable Community in 1994." of course that was in 94. | |
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6/24/2009 3:09:23 PM From: eddo I can agree that 10 days is a little weak for this,
but have to ask- Is being racist illegal?
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6/24/2009 3:33:45 PM From: ImWithStupid The article is very devoid of information, vague and is obviously meant to incite anger.
Dragged could mean a lot of things and there are many other lines in this article that because of their vagueness almost seems to be purposeful for when or if, it comes out that the facts aren't as implied, they can claim to have meant it in a different way.
As for the whole, "there is no racism" comments. Everyone is ignoring you MrsK, because we know you will never be able to comprehend the difference between racist people, and a racist society. | |
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6/24/2009 3:50:05 PM From: MrsK 1. If you were ignoring me, you wouldn't have replied to the comment. Duh.
2. The reason I've stated that racism doesn't exist is because those words are the echo of the replies I've heard around this forum numerous times. And they were not in jest. | |
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| 6/24/2009 4:02:52 PM From: ImWithStupid ^^^ Point proven. You still don't get it. | |
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| 6/24/2009 4:41:39 PM From: MrsK I don't know IWS, I've been having a two way dialogue with BCAR throughout the post. If you chose to ignore the comments that is up to you. It only goes to show NOT that I don't know the difference between racist people and racist society (which if ou ask me sounds like a total cop out of a reply by the way) but that racism does exist and it is strong in many areas of the country - whether you choose to look at it from a singular or plural (societal) perspective. | |
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| 6/24/2009 4:43:46 PM From: MrsK BTW in case you didn't realize this there are entire communities of Race Driven Supremacist groups in the United States. One of them happens to be in Lake Placid Florida. | |
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6/24/2009 5:36:37 PM From: PapaBryant Something doesn't ring right on this story; the rope was placed around his neck and he was dragged around the parking lot. That's hanging right there! The kid should be dead. A rope dragging the kid behind the car equals his body as dead weight being dragged against a friction causing surface. His neck sets snapped, the rope chokes off oxygen, maybe even snapping his neck clean off like that black guy in Texas.
The rope had to be tied around his neck AND under one arm as well, like a woman carrying a purse. That would then be non-lethal and would explain why the punishment is so slight. Still not enough time for my taste but it gives the prosecutor the option to not charge with attempted murder.
The kid who was attacked should sue, IMO, since it does seem that the attack was racially motivated. And if Mount Vernon Ohio is out in the sticks that might explain why the attack happened in the firsat place. Generally speaking racism IS over, and most openly racist attacks are now against whites, if crime stats are correct. But to say racism BY whites is over would not be correct either. Just less prevelant these days. This one seems pretty clear, IMHO. |  |
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| 6/24/2009 5:56:19 PM From: MrsK The story doesn't state that he was dragged by the truck PB. | |
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| 6/24/2009 6:15:02 PM From: Peanuts So if they accidentally killed him they would only get manslaughter charges? |  |
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| 6/24/2009 6:17:07 PM From: Peanuts So if they accidentally killed him they would only get manslaughter charges? | |
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6/24/2009 6:28:02 PM From: MrsK No Peanuts because they were acting violently towards the individual and used a weapon. Therefore whether they get up there and say they killed him on accident, it would still be murder.
Manslaughter is reserved for true accidents (at least I would like to think so). | |
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6/24/2009 9:16:49 PM From: PapaBryant Still a problem K, as if they were pulling him enough to knock him down the rope is leaving marks on his neck, Still a threat to snap his neck, and to asfixiate him. Murder charges would be deserved.
Even in the most racist climates, there has to be something they can try to hang a "legitimate" stamp on to avoid later scrutiny by authorities further up the chain; and if the noose is on his neck alone they can't say their ruling is legit with any hope of it sticking.
Still, such a slap on the wrist has got to cause an image problem. The authorities may still have screwed up enough to resolve this in a positive manner for the kid who was abused. | |
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6/24/2009 10:21:20 PM From: Ali Why is information about the juvenille victim being released?
I doubt it was given out by the authorities. It's pretty obvious that Cantu's family went to the media and willingly gave out his information, as the only two people interviewed were Cantu and his mother.
Was the punishment for the crime too light? I would say so.
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| 6/25/2009 12:44:21 AM From: whogo It is a sad day when ya caint play "Let's hang the hispanic kid" anymore. | |
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| 6/25/2009 12:47:00 AM From: whogo The fact is a portion of 13 to 18 year olds are the biggest racists on the planet. Once they enter the workplace racism drops to a level of insignificance. | |
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| 6/25/2009 12:49:57 AM From: whogo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beat_Up_a_White_Kid_Day Yep, racism is alive and well. | |
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| 6/25/2009 12:55:16 AM From: whogo http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Police-Search-for-Teens-Who-Beat-Boy-to-Death.html?corder=&pg=1 Yep, racism is alive and well. | |
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| 6/25/2009 12:59:15 AM From: whogo Dear blacks and hispanics, the reason young black and hispanic boys are being murdered at such a high rate is primarily because other black and hispanic boys are murdering them. If you spent 10% of the energy you spend searching for every case of minority victims of white criminals on addressing the problem of black on black and brown on brown crime you might actually save some of the lives of your children. | |
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| 6/25/2009 1:04:04 AM From: whogo Plenty of racism exists, many of our universities are discriminating against white and asian students in favor of blacks and hispanics. | |
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| 6/25/2009 1:08:48 AM From: whogo http://www.npr.org/news/specials/michigan/index.html Discrimination against whites and asians encoded into our Constitution. Yep, racism exists. | |
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| 6/25/2009 1:12:21 AM From: whogo Democrats are not saying much lately. Even they are starting to realize their messiah is a total frack up. | |
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| 6/25/2009 2:50:53 AM From: whogo If ya don't like it here...Go back to Hispan. | |
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6/25/2009 5:25:00 AM From: BCAR "Yeah, no big deal, right, BCAR? Boys being boys, huh. Nice to know your outlook on things. I'm not that surprised though."
Probably the most racist comment directed at me to date. But I don't care, sticks and stones. | |
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6/25/2009 9:14:58 AM From: eddo Go back to Hispan.
Exactly! | |
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6/25/2009 9:32:32 AM From: Chi Fine, I'll go back to Hispan.. Oh no wait, my peeps and ancestors were in this continent way before the white man showed up. I guess I'll stay then and you all can leave! | |
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| 6/25/2009 9:54:46 AM From: BCAR Can't say as I blame them, I wouldn't want to live in Hispan either. | |
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| 6/25/2009 8:17:26 PM From: MrsK My country was stolen from its rightful owners first by Americans and later by Cuban immigrants (which the great U.S. did little to stop btw). We get drafted and pay taxes, but if we live on our own little island we can't vote for the powers that tax and draft us. Nice. | |
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6/25/2009 8:23:49 PM From: ImWithStupid What island/country are you talking about?
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| 6/25/2009 8:29:25 PM From: MrsK Puerto Rico | |
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6/25/2009 8:34:46 PM From: MrsK http://welcome.topuertorico.org/government.shtml
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| 6/25/2009 9:06:59 PM From: emkay64 I like fruit. |  |
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6/25/2009 9:26:58 PM From: ImWithStupid Well then, fukk you all. Every time it comes up to a vote, you all want the benefits but not the responsibility and vote down statehood.
In fact I believe recently you're islanders bitched about a US Naval shelling range on one of your small islands, and when we decided without the shelling target we don't need your ass as a base you all bitched that we packed up and left you without a US Military economic base for that same targeting range.
Suck it up and deal with what you ask for, bitches.
San Francisco ran into the same shit. They didn't want a Navy museum of a decommisioned ship and said not to put the monument to war in their liberal community, and the Navy said fukk you and packed up and moved out. Now they are drowning in debt.
If you have your values and left wing ideologies, then deal with the economic aftermath.
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6/26/2009 4:13:42 AM From: MrsK A. I don't appreciate that tone. The people I belong to, my family, my fellow PR's are not "Bithces" thank you. You can feel free to call me a bitch though - from you I'll take it as a compliment.
B. WE never fuking asked your country to TAKE OUR HOME, SET YOUR military up there, and then grant us your almighty STATEHOOD.
C. I don't know if you've noticed this lately - BUT ALL YOUR FUKING STATES AND MAJOR CITIES ARE IN DEEP FINANCIAL TROUBLE. So WTH are you bringing up San Francisco for?
D. And lastly, you need to grow up little boy. The United States, (while admitedly is a pretty damn good country) is NOT perfect. It DOES do bad things to people, IT DOES Opress people, IT DOES do things that are unfair. IT DOES Bully other nations.
It is a dog eat dog world and your country is just another playah. | |
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| 6/26/2009 6:34:30 AM From: BCAR Hyphenated Americans suck. | |
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| 6/26/2009 8:39:36 AM From: eddo ^^rep worthy | |
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| 6/26/2009 11:30:39 AM From: whogo MrsK "My country blah, blah, blah", Excuse me, is not your country the United States of America? | |
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| 6/26/2009 11:37:32 AM From: whogo Puerto Rico never was a country. | |
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| 6/26/2009 11:41:05 AM From: whogo I suggest you google "YouTube - Blue states financial deficit, red states financial surplus" | |
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6/26/2009 8:24:56 PM From: MrsK Hugs - Never a country? I don't think PR ever had a chance at becoming a country with Big Brother USA at the helm.
Am I an American Citizen? Is "My Country" the U.S.? Being that I was born on the island of Puerto Rico, and the U.S. pretty much staked claim to the island I guess I have no other choice than to say yes I am a United States Citizen. HOWEVER - if I still lived on the island I would be no more than a second class citizen, whose family is taxed and subject to draft - without a say so to the country's leader. That is my huge argument here. It always has been.
Blue states, Red States.... blah blah blah... PR is not a state. So red or blue or deficit or suprlus states I could give a shit about. Puerto Rico does not politically exist. We pay the prices for the "Protection" (which frankly if you ask me seems like a mob set up straight out of the Godfather - where small businesses pay the mob for "protection" and in exchange we get no say so.
If your country gets to tax us whether we are a state or not, and gets to draft our young men (God forbid) whether we are a state or not, then we should get to vote whether we are a state or not. It is that simple. | |
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6/26/2009 8:54:29 PM From: ImWithStupid Puerto Rico was visited on the second voyage of Columbus to the New World.
They were around long before the US. Why didn't they become their own thriving nation?
Nothing to do with the US. They, just like all other Latin American countries want to blame the US but it's their own inability to quit fighting amongst themselves for power and create a Democratic Republic for a government and tore themselves apart for centuries while the US thrived under the best system ever created.
Puerto Rico brought it's mediocrity on itself, as secular progressives are trying to do to the US now.
Keep pointing your dirty fingers at the US if you want MrsK. Puerto Rico's fate was made by your greedy ancesters who fought each other for power for centuries before the US was even involved in their measly lives. | |
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| 6/26/2009 8:58:49 PM From: MrsK Yeah, apparently you know shit about PR history. *rolls eyes* | |
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6/26/2009 9:02:02 PM From: MrsK And what's worse is, you just can't accept that your country is not the Holy Grail of perfection you were raised to beleive it is. But that's ok, I am very used to the old American custm of passing the buck.
As for my "Dirty Little Finger", get the fuk over yourself. As a regular Joe Schmoe my hands can't possibly be any dirtier than 99% of the politicians who hang out in DC. | |
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6/26/2009 9:20:37 PM From: ImWithStupid No, the difference is, I can accept my country has faults without having to blame someone else for those faults.
Show me where I'm wrong on PR history.
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6/26/2009 10:09:28 PM From: MrsK LOL! At Least You Have a Country. NOW do you get it?
On a side note: From IWS - You're the same person who wants people put away forever for supposed racial crimes, with less evidence than there was in these celebrity trials and cry that the justice system isn't fair.
A. did I at anytime mention anything about forever? Is a year of punishment for ASSAULT AGAINST A MINOR really SO tough a senetence?
B. Here we have a story about a boy who was dragged around a parking lot, by his neck, attached to a noose, by another boy. Am I missing some evidence here? I mean, it seems pretty cut a fuking dry to me. He plead no contest - which means he isn't admiting to anything, but he isn't denying it either. | |
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| 6/26/2009 10:11:59 PM From: MrsK And for the record - So long as a state or private institution is profitting from the incarceration of human beings - So long as said private institution (corporation) has lobbyists they send to DC to puch for stricter laws so that they can continue to incarcerate people to make a profit - You Bet Your ASS I am going to SCREAM. | |
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| 6/26/2009 10:26:15 PM From: eddo maybe folks should quit breaking the law then... | |
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| 6/27/2009 1:03:22 AM From: whogo The fact is people of color ain't capable of governing themselves. | |
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| 6/27/2009 9:18:53 AM From: BCAR Fact of the matter is that no one ever has to end up in prison if they don't want to. Just obey the law. | |
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| 6/27/2009 9:16:00 PM From: Ali The fact is I think this is comment...SIXTY-NINE!!!! | |
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| 6/28/2009 9:12:29 PM From: whogo "You Bet Your ASS I am going to SCREAM." Keep screaming, that is what every other nutcase in the loony bin does, normal people don't pay much attention to them. | |
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6/29/2009 4:49:52 AM From: MrsK Really BCAR? Tell it to William Dillon - William Dillon, who was wrongfully convicted of a 1981 murder and served 27 years behind bars before DNA evidence demonstrated his innocence, will be speaking at a Rotary Club event in Wellington, Florida, on Thursday, April 30. In November 2008, The Innocence Project of Florida (IPF) worked to obtain DNA testing that proved Mr. Dillon’s innocence. Since his exoneration, Mr. Dillon has become an advocate for criminal justice reforms and has spoken on previous occasions about the harrowing experience of serving out his wrongful incarceration.
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| 6/29/2009 7:23:26 AM From: MrsK Still a racial slur on this post too. Imagine that. | |
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| 6/29/2009 11:06:47 AM From: whogo Racial slurs-- horrible, denying asian-americans their 14th Amendment rights--great. Liberal values. | |
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6/29/2009 11:49:27 AM From: BCAR It's sad irony when one minority ethnic group uses education and work ethic to achieve sucess. Only to be vilified by the underachievers and those who profit from them.
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