| 10/2/2008 4:25:28 PM From: Rani http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_contraceptive_serv.html |  |
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| 10/2/2008 4:26:28 PM From: Rani Each year, approximately seven million women receive contraceptive services from the network of publicly funded family planning clinics. Such as Planned Parenthood. | |
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| 10/2/2008 4:33:40 PM From: Rani Primarily the birth control available is the pill or condoms and the injectable birthcontrol. These clinics, such as the Health Department, as well as Planned Parenthood, (which might be the same people in some areas) also routinely screen clients for STDs as well as counseling about abstinence while some males do go to these places, it is only about 5% of the overall caseload for most publicly funded family planning clinics. Men are more likely to go to the Health Department than Planned Parenthood. | |
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| 10/2/2008 4:38:57 PM From: Rani Yeah, TJ, that is right 95% of the overall caseload for places like Planned Parenthood, are women, getting Birth Control, getting education on family planning, making sure they don't have a std to pass on to some unsuspecting male sucker. Women, more than men ARE taking responsibility for their reproductive choices. | |
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| 10/2/2008 4:40:18 PM From: Rani This is all from the same people from which you so highly praise. | |
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| 10/2/2008 8:18:35 PM From: Peanuts I'm only gonna say I don't care who wants them dead (men or women). I don't agree with abortion. I understand it's a fine line as to where life begins but I'm not God and I don't want to make that call and I don't want you to have that call either. I think every life deserves a chance in the lottery of life. |  |
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| 10/2/2008 8:32:25 PM From: Rani Anyone who knows me knows I fight for life first, ALWAYS! I also believe there is a wrong way to fight for life and a right way to fight for life. Not understanding what has led to legalized abortion is one very wrong way to fight for life. Until the issues are understood and dealt with only then can we as a Nation put abortion behind us. | |
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| 10/2/2008 8:35:02 PM From: Rani The attitude that women and women alone should take the responsibility for reproductive choices is a bogus attitude. Allowing men to cry they have been victimized by a woman for an unplanned pregnancy needs to STOP! The only victim is the baby. | |
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| 10/2/2008 8:43:41 PM From: Rani Peanuts, you do not agree with abortion, what would you like to see change that would lead to a situation where there is not one woman who would ever feel she would be doing the right thing by aborting. Because that is what has to happen, women have to get to a place where they believe abortion is never needed. And I am talking about the selfish reasons women give. Are you listening to them? Are you thinking of ways to change the reason women give so they no longer have those excuses? | |
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| 10/2/2008 8:46:04 PM From: Peanuts I agree with you. Men need to step up to the plate and I don't mean just monetarily. That's the problem with our society. We are moraly corrupt. | |
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| 10/2/2008 8:50:43 PM From: Peanuts I don't think there is a time that they should feel the need to abort the child other than protecting her own life. I don't see that as selfish. It human nature to survey. Just like that fetus that's fighting for life instinctively. | |
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| 10/2/2008 8:53:54 PM From: Peanuts What brings a women or man the need to discard this fragile life is for selfish gain. I understand the mental anguish women have to endure. I'm not insensitive to that fact but I won't agree to eradicating there so call problem by aborting it. Go see a shrink! | |
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| 10/2/2008 9:01:44 PM From: Rani And when I say I fight for life...Always...I mean that, not only do I fight for life of an unborn baby but I have shown you, with the wolves, what did I ask. Do you really have to kill them? Do you? and if you do could you try and have some compassion about it, do you have to be so cutthroat about it. Did you really exhaust all the possibilities available? The Terry Schiavo case, I was outraged that a husband could just end her life on so flimsy evidence. You know, sometimes no matter how much we want life to have a chance, the circumstances lead to death. So what can be done about it? What changes can we make? | |
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| 10/2/2008 9:03:38 PM From: Rani How do you over come selfish gain, how to you bring a woman forward in bringing an end to abortion, not backward to where it all began? | |
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| 10/2/2008 9:06:00 PM From: Rani Mandatory counseling, I agree. Many a woman has changed her mind about getting an abortion because they received proper counseling. | |
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| 10/2/2008 9:06:59 PM From: Peanuts You know I can't answer that. I am by no means perfect. And again I'm not judgemental. I personaly could never allow a child of mine to be aborted. My wife had an abortion when she was younger with her first husband and I don't judge her. | |
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| 10/2/2008 9:09:53 PM From: Peanuts But we do need more education. We also need easier adoption procedures. We need to remove the stigma of who's genes created this life. I think the length of a pregnancy adds to the turmoil for the women. | |
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| 10/2/2008 9:21:51 PM From: Peanuts Men need reform too. They need to understand that when they win that trophy, lay the pipe, score, that they realize what might happen and are they prepared to step up to the plate for the next 18 years. Now I'm being hypocritical because I've never used a condom and could have easily have created something I was not prepared for. BUT I would never accept abortion as an option!!! | |
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| 10/2/2008 9:26:42 PM From: Rani Kudos and applause Peanuts, I agree with you on all points, we are not at odds here. Sarah Palin is not the only woman in America that the ProLife movement applauds for chosing to give birth. | |
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| 10/2/2008 9:27:56 PM From: Rani I personally have done that, not once but twice, and I did pay some pretty big prices for making the choice I made, but I chose life. | |
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| 10/2/2008 9:29:33 PM From: Rani And there needs to be more approval for choosing life, not paying big price tags. | |
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| 10/2/2008 9:42:14 PM From: eddo IMO, men being dirtbags does not give the woman a free ride to skirt her responsibilities. Not trying to make a cop-out for the men, in any way shape or form, but just because a guy runs out on her should not be an excuse to kill a baby. |  |
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| 10/2/2008 9:58:49 PM From: Rani She is left with the mess to take care of by herself, who else can she trust or depend on, she is in a crisis road in her life and she is alone. You tell her she has no reason to fear, explain it all to her. Her world is falling apart, who will be there to put it back together again? | |
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| 10/2/2008 10:00:09 PM From: Rani Go ahead Eddo, what is your solution to the abandoned pregnant lady? Give her a reason to choose life. | |
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| 10/2/2008 10:06:24 PM From: eddo How is killing an innocent life a viable answer? and she isn't automatically alone. Child support, family help, government assistance if need be. All better than ending a life that has done no wrong other than to be conceived. | |
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| 10/2/2008 10:12:28 PM From: Rani I agree, this though is what you would present to a woman who is feeling abandoned? Do you know how easy it is to get child support? What if there is no family she can turn to, so then she goes on welfare? That is your solution? | |
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| 10/2/2008 10:14:56 PM From: eddo solution? no. an option? yes. I don't do so hot speaking in your "what if" little world rani, and I never have. We can "what if" this to death, like you love to do, but first answer my question: What good will come from killing an innocent life? | |
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| 10/2/2008 11:51:14 PM From: Rani No good comes from killing an innocent life. Never has, never will. | |
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| 10/2/2008 11:57:28 PM From: Rani I am not doing what ifs Eddo, I am putting you on the spot, you have an opinion towards one reason women give for obtaining an abortion. Your opinion is there is no excuse to do it because of that reason, when fact is there is no excuse to get an abortion for any selfish reason. Yet women are doing so. What is your solution? How do you propose to take away the fear and abandonment women feel when they sincerely believe they have no where to turn and the best thing she could do in her situation is abort the pregnancy. | |
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| 10/2/2008 11:59:47 PM From: Rani You have the opinion, take responsibility for your opinion. Otherwise, those who oppose abortion will never ever succeed in bring an end to abortions. | |
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| 10/3/2008 12:07:53 AM From: Rani Guys can and do run out on the situation, the woman cannot she has no alternative but to consider her unique situation all on her own. It is too late to talk about birth control options or how she should have been more responsible, she didn't, she wasn't, she is pregnant and the guy has split. You believe she still has no excuse to abort the pregnancy, so what does she do? Because women are looking for solutions, not shoulda coulda woulda. Believe me when I say a woman who finds herself in that position is grasping at any solid straw she can get ahold of, it is not a woman's first and automatice choice to abort. | |
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| 10/3/2008 4:52:31 AM From: hugo That Biden guy was a total dumbass. | |
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| 10/3/2008 5:49:21 AM From: BCAR Most of the women that are most adamant about abortion rights are the ones no guy wants to f uck anyway. |  |
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| 10/3/2008 6:07:01 AM From: Kethria All I can say is that recently in my area a woman killed her 2 adopted daughters and stuck them in her freezer and was in the process of killing the 3rd one (slowly, by beating and starving her to death) when she escaped out a window. |  |
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| 10/3/2008 6:14:53 AM From: BCAR That is horribly messed up. | |
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| 10/3/2008 6:17:14 AM From: mercury wow, keth. I just don't understand what is happening to humanity... |  |
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| 10/3/2008 6:59:57 AM From: Kethria http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/29/kids.bodies.freezer.ap/ | |
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| 10/3/2008 8:47:01 AM From: Peanuts Many states are trying to implement a bil that would allow women to "drop off" unwanted children with no questions asked. This is yet another way to save lifes. | |
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10/3/2008 8:50:38 AM From: Peanuts Good God Kethria! I sure hope your not insinuting all women are like that!  | |
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| 10/3/2008 8:56:34 AM From: mercury I think she's just pointing out that adoption is not always the ideal situation that it's hailed to be. | |
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| 10/3/2008 9:00:24 AM From: timesjoke Your trying to twist things and I guess I should expect that but your biggest flaw is your claim of 50% of women being in a steady relationship, it was talking about 50% claimed their reason for wanting an abortion was not wanting to be a single parent or "problems" with their husband or partner, they combined these numbers and the key is still problems. Even if they have a relationship it is having problems and more care should have been taken to not get pregnant if you are in a bad relationship.....right?...........Your still ignoring that almost all abortions are from women who either never used protection the month they got pregnant or did not use it consistantly, there is the problem, people having sex without taking it seriously. |  |
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| 10/3/2008 9:01:39 AM From: mercury it' nice to see you finally used the term "people" rather than "women" ;o) | |
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| 10/3/2008 9:15:14 AM From: Peanuts yeah Merc and I'm pointing out there's one in every croud but you don't throw the baby out with the bath water. | |
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| 10/3/2008 11:16:28 AM From: Rani TJ I am just simply pointing out by your own precious link what I saw. End of story. Even you very own people say it isn't that black and white. I know it is hard for you to accept any MAN would want the woman to abort but there are many cases where he IS the one demanding and HE is the one putting the woman through HELL to get it. That is one of the problems your link is speaking of. | |
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| 10/3/2008 11:24:40 AM From: Rani And TJ I agree, Education, Birth Control and Education on how to use Birth Control, can and will reduce unplanned pregnancy and abortion. But you got to get it out there to the people, you got reach the men as well as the women. I have seen in recent times a huge change in the attitude towards having Safe Sex and over recent years the abortion numbers have came down. When I see things like it is only about 5% of the caseload at publicly funded planning clinics are men. Those numbers need to change. It is time to realize men are apart of the problem and they can be apart of the solution. | |
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10/3/2008 11:29:27 AM From: Rani Since, by your link, and I am cut and pasting this "Fifty percent of U.S. women obtaining
abortions are younger than 25: Women
aged 20–24 obtain 33% of all abortions,
and teenagers obtain 17%." YOU SEE THAT! So how many times have I heard people BITCHING about Sex Education in High Schools...It needs to be there and it needs to be there on an aggressive level. | |
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10/3/2008 11:37:19 AM From: Rani What should a woman do when she is afraid and has been abandon by her partner sincerely believes she has no where to turn and the best thing she could do in her situation is abort the pregnancy? Does anyone besides me know? Does anyone have an answer for her that would bring her baby to term?
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| 10/3/2008 11:39:15 AM From: hugo I think she should go have the baby chopped in little pieces and sucked out, Rani. | |
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| 10/3/2008 11:42:49 AM From: Rani I will give you the answer and make it easy because I really would like if a woman did not have to resort to an abortion any more than any one else would. First of all, you let her know that you care about her, you thank her for coming to you and trusting you, You acknowledge the fact she is afraid but you let her know that even though the guy ran out on her and she has every right to be angry about that, she is not alone. Then you refer her to the Crisis Pregnancy Center. Drive her there yourself. That is one small thing you can do for a woman who is afraid and abandoned. | |
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| 10/3/2008 11:47:18 AM From: Rani http://www.thecrisispregnancycenterct.org/index.htm | |
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| 10/3/2008 11:47:59 AM From: Rani Hugo, silly man that won't bring the baby to term. | |
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| 10/3/2008 11:54:04 AM From: Rani Keth, it is stories like that is the main reason I am not pro closed adoption. For me, open adoption is a wonderful thing. The Birth parents still can choose to be apart of the baby's life, they can know how the baby is doing, how the baby is being treated. | |
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| 10/3/2008 11:54:08 AM From: emkay64 Hugo is deliciously mean. I likey. Now....maybe we could get a bounty placed on babies. Since humans are such mass overpopulators and all. How much for one baby scalp? |  |
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| 10/3/2008 11:56:01 AM From: BCAR Can we shoot them out of airplanes? | |
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| 10/3/2008 12:03:36 PM From: hugo Babies are pretty easy to kill, $20 should be enough. | |
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| 10/3/2008 12:05:22 PM From: Rani Get invovled people, you have the opinion you have, take responsibility for it and do something about it. I am not saying you don't already but many people don't. They have their opinion but don't have a clue what to do about it. Eddo you believe that just because the guy runs off on a pregnant girl...The Crisis Pregnancy Center...Right there is your answer...get invovled. | |
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| 10/3/2008 12:06:36 PM From: Rani I think BCAR we should just club them like baby seals, the kinda look like baby seals. | |
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| 10/3/2008 12:07:43 PM From: Ali Baby traps are the way to go. They don't have teeth so they can't gnaw off their little feet. |  |
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| 10/3/2008 12:08:16 PM From: eddo abortions from a helicopter or low flying plane could be a thought. | |
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| 10/3/2008 12:08:38 PM From: eddo nevermind... dammit... | |
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| 10/3/2008 12:10:25 PM From: BCAR A treestand outside ToysRUs | |
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| 10/3/2008 12:11:58 PM From: emkay64 ^^^LMAO...wait...I think my gutter humor is creeping in. | |
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| 10/3/2008 12:12:12 PM From: Ali LOL B! I almost shot water out of my nose at that one. | |
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| 10/3/2008 12:16:52 PM From: mercury you guys are too much! :P | |
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| 10/3/2008 12:23:20 PM From: Ali We could always herd them off a cliff... | |
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| 10/9/2008 5:06:02 PM From: Peanuts I find it strange that the same people criticizing controlling Wolf population are the same ones that don't care about human population. Do you all feel compelled to have the right to exterminate a human over an animal? | |
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| 10/9/2008 5:08:19 PM From: MrsK On that note I find it strange that the same people in support of illegalizing abrotions are the same ones who promote an endless bloody war, where young men are getting blown to bits on a regular basis. |  |
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| 10/9/2008 5:16:42 PM From: mercury I find it strange that people pick and choose what they read to fit their own judgements. | |
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| 10/9/2008 6:11:54 PM From: mercury 69! | |
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| 10/12/2008 5:05:09 AM From: Rani :P~ | |
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| 10/12/2008 2:37:14 PM From: hugo On that note I find it strange that the same people in support of illegalizing abrotions are the same ones who promote an endless bloody war, where young men are getting blown to bits on a regular basis." The truth is the world's most influential opponent of abortion, the Pope, opposes the Iraq war and generally suports a leftist agenda on economic issues. | |
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