| 9/30/2008 10:27:24 PM From: Rani Personally I am trying to cut out meats in my diet, more veggies and fruits, grains. But it is all still new to me and I want to make sure I am actually getting all the nutrients I need on a daily basis. Plus, even with meat, there are withdraws and I am not sure if it is because of a physical addiction to meat or if it is because of habit, or just in my head or all of the above. I love pork and chicken but not so much beef and I find if I deprive myself of them I will go on a binge, so I think moderation is showing proof in my life. Moderation, Moderation, Moderation. |  |
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| 10/1/2008 12:41:01 AM From: PapaBryant While I do agree with the concerns on steroids and hormones in red meat, chicken and pork (which contribute to lower sperm count in men and early puberty in girls), those are too valuable a source of protein to give up. I'm not worried about Frankenvegetables, as their only purpose is to extend shelf life, although heirloom tomatoes are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH better!!!!!!! |  |
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10/1/2008 3:45:52 AM From: doheney pshhh! i so fell off the wagon and have been eating the most godawful garbage. it's been good while it's lasted though  i wouldn't say the deoderant theory is necessarily true. if it gets hot and i forgot the deoderant (weather changes drastically here from cold to needing air conditioning sometimes, like lately) anyway, if for some reason i am without, more often than not i'll end up with one or more of those painful clogged ducts/glands whichever it's called. i never have that problem with deoderant. one of my uncles told me last year that he never uses body soap. he showere every day though, if not more, and is very clean. i would have never guessed that he doesn't use soap, he didn't say why either. |  |
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| 10/1/2008 3:54:58 AM From: mercury The biggest known problem with "Frankenvegetables" is that you can't save the seeds from last years crop and expect them to grow in your garden this year. They're designed to make the farmer dependent on the seed producer for continuation of crops. Also, it's not just shelf life that's effected, they're supposedly more resistant to disease and drought, are more resistant to herbicides and a bunch of other claims. There are other problems that while they may not directly effect the nutrition of your food or give off dangerous bodily side effects through consumption, they are concerns, none the less: dangers to pollen dependent insects (those we also depend on to pollinate the crops, resulting in the food we eat. no pollination = no crop) There's a pretty big long list of potential environmental concerns and a shorter list of potential health related claims and even some economic concerns to be considered. |  |
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| 10/1/2008 4:07:38 AM From: mercury now... that's not to say that I eat or live healthy. I eat what I can afford. We stay away from hormone injected meats, milks and eggs, but don't necessarily buy organic for any of them. | |
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10/1/2008 5:26:51 AM From: doheney good morning merc  we don't eat organic unless i happen to pick something up at trader joe's as they are fairly reasonably priced. i don't know about where you are, but out here, rather than having to search for hormone free milk, most proclaim rather loudly on the label that they are hormone free. our regular grocery store and trader joe's, both common establishments, stock cage free, organic eggs. for awhile, we even had pasturized eggs. my husband is the one that told me you can't use seeds from store produce when i was speculating one day. damn hybrids! i do sometimes save seeds from what i've grown though. this year we had beautiful carnival peppers, super sweet tomatos, early girl tomatos, jelly bean tomatos, the patty pan didn't pan out < har har, and we got tons of zuchini, but about a good third of it was hard and mean from weather fluctuations. what got a good dose of sun was beautiful. if it is that sensitive to weather here, i can't imagine how everyone else manages. hothouses? | |
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| 10/1/2008 6:08:30 AM From: emkay64 I buy my meat from a local friend/farmer. I've visited the farm and the slaughter house. While not pretty, it's humane, and the animals are "organic". The meat tastes different and the chicken by far tastes TOTALLY different. |  |
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| 10/1/2008 6:16:51 AM From: Rani I agree though, in these times, way they are, if you have the ability to do so, it is always a good idea to have a garden. | |
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| 10/1/2008 6:27:07 AM From: mercury everyone has the ability to have a garden... even those who live in apartments. edible plants don't have to grow in the ground, they can grow in containers, too. | |
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| 10/1/2008 6:36:18 AM From: mercury in fact, container gardening is much easier that trying to work the land. pest control is simplified, nutrition is much easier, and weeds are much easier to control. | |
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10/1/2008 6:47:33 AM From: mercury ...and there's no heavy equipment required  | |
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| 10/1/2008 6:48:00 AM From: MrsK Oh I likey this feedback! I too, have heard that organic chicken tastes completely different. Dr. D says she went to wing place and tried thier wings. She says after so long of eating organic food she wasn't even sure what she was eating was chicken. The texture was right, but the meat had no taste. |  |
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| 10/1/2008 6:49:15 AM From: BCAR I eat venison that I've murdered from ambush, then gutted, skinned, cut up and packaged myself. |  |
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| 10/1/2008 6:58:38 AM From: mercury same thing with organic eggs... one of chris' cousins raises her own free range chickens. It's been years since she's eaten a store bought egg. She sat down for breakfast in a restaurant one day and swore up and down there was something wrong with the eggs, tried to send them back. Her husband had to remind her that THAT's what eggs look like when they've been processed and have been sitting on a shelf for weeks before they find your plate. I don't really remember fresh eggs... it's been a long damn time. | |
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| 10/1/2008 7:12:44 AM From: Ali I try to eat organic whenever I can. I'm a big fan of farmer's markets up here. And although I am unable to leave my business for another year, it kills me that I'm a total hypocrite. I buy merchandise from the big food companies out there who I know don't practice humane treatment of their livestock. At some point I know my conscience is going to get the best of me and I'm going to go Vegan. I would never push that lifestyle on other people but at least I would be able to rest easier at night. |  |
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| 10/1/2008 7:13:20 AM From: MrsK I get all my eggs from my friend Jen. She has chickens in the backyard. Some strictly for eggs, others for ... ummm. Food! | |
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| 10/1/2008 7:15:31 AM From: MrsK At least you don't waste Bambi B. At least you eat it, and you don't just take the severed head to mont on your wall (or collect a bounty) and then let the rest of it lie in the earth rotting and wasting. | |
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| 10/1/2008 7:21:37 AM From: Ali This is slightly off topic, but I often tend to clash with men on one major subject around here. The majority of guys in my area are hunters, and that's fine. Many have asked me if I want to ride along with them during the hunt (it's a weird courtship thing here..don't ask) and I always decline because I just don't want to watch any animal get killed. Then I get this big lecture about how "hunting is good and safe and necessary and blah, blah, blah". The thing is I'm FINE with people who want to hunt responsibly, I just don't want to be sitting next to them while they do it. Unfortunately I just get labeled as a "goddamn tree hugger" whenever the subject of hunting comes up. Oh well. Maybe one day I'll meet a cool guy who gets where I'm coming from. | |
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| 10/1/2008 7:31:20 AM From: MrsK Killing of an animal for food is definately not a new practice. We all know this. But traditionally and throughout history man has not let a single piece of that animal go to waste. Native Americans complained bitterly at the waste when Europeans started hunting in the U.S. Natives were also very greatful to thier Gods for providing said meats, and they treated the animals with respect. | |
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| 10/1/2008 7:33:02 AM From: MrsK Not only the animals, but the land too. They also took precautions not to overhunt. | |
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10/1/2008 7:35:11 AM From: MrsK Great, thanks for confusing me Ali! This goes in the other post.  | |
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| 10/1/2008 9:24:41 AM From: hugo Really, every single one of the many native tribes never overhunted and respected animals? Might want to ask the mastodons about that? Never mind, they are extinct. Wiped out by the native Americans who caused mass extinctions of large game animals. The noble Indian crapola is just that, crapola. | |
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| 10/1/2008 9:56:06 AM From: eddo To help make Ali feel better, I'm gonna start shooting McDonalds employees before I order my Big Mac. :P |  |
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| 10/1/2008 9:59:10 AM From: BCAR In his writings about the Yellowstone and other campaigns, G. Custer remarked how his scouts could often locate Indian encampoments by the vultures flying over their scrap and trash piles outside the camps. Fact of the matter is when Indians had an opportunity to kill game they killed it. Food was difficult to preserve and availability of game was undependable. These are stone age hunter gatherers not Sierra Club members. | |
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| 10/1/2008 11:32:38 AM From: wildbob A deodorant keeps the smell down. An antiperspireant is what prevents you from sweating. You can find deodorants that do not have antiperspiants in them. | |
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| 10/1/2008 11:52:07 AM From: hugo Good thing we wiped out most of them Injuns. We saved a lot of animals. | |
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| 10/1/2008 12:33:58 PM From: Ali Well thanks, eddo. lol | |
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| 10/1/2008 12:47:31 PM From: timesjoke I keep a garden and buy most of my meats from a local butcher. Here in Florida we have more beef than anywhere else so many local farms supply local butchers. I also have my own chickens for fresh eggs. You can tell your cooking a very old egg when you crack it into a pan and it spreads out very wide, a fresh egg will try to hold itself together more and not spread out. |  |
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| 10/1/2008 1:50:03 PM From: Peanuts If it don't got Monosodium glutamate in it I don't eat it! |  |
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| 10/1/2008 1:57:09 PM From: BCAR ^^^^ I can get you MSG in bulk. | |
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| 10/1/2008 8:13:17 PM From: eddo ^^^Grainger catalog. Page 4397. | |
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