| 9/26/2008 7:54:37 PM From: MrsK McCain seems a little more formidable now... But he is also one for dramatics. This is not the time (IMO) for dramatics. This is the time for serious dissection of the way things need to be done to save our asses. |  |
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| 9/26/2008 7:54:53 PM From: Ali I have to admit that I went and spent time with my brother's family tonight. I missed the debate entirely. |  |
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9/26/2008 7:56:02 PM From: MrsK Ugh! Go to CNN.COM and watch you unAmerican wench!  ~~~ | |
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| 9/26/2008 7:57:38 PM From: MrsK LOL! I just heard a lady being interviewed on CNN that said the same thing about the emotion vs the logic. | |
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| 9/26/2008 7:58:56 PM From: Ali I will. And I really did want to watch it for myself so I wouldn't have to deal with the liberal slant the media likes to portray these events in. It's always better to view the debates first hand, IMO. | |
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| 9/26/2008 8:04:03 PM From: MrsK I am watching ReCaps now... And I notice something else alarming. Maybe it is because of the classes I am in now and I am noticing a lot more about body language. I mean - It's just that McCain has that same Arrogant, Smug demeanor that Bush has had. | |
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| 9/26/2008 8:06:14 PM From: Peanuts Why didn't Obama admit we were winning the war? |  |
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| 9/26/2008 8:07:15 PM From: MrsK Ummmm... Maybe because we aren't? | |
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| 9/26/2008 8:07:43 PM From: MrsK IOW - You can't win a war that is only going to flare up again as soon as you turn around. | |
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| 9/26/2008 8:08:41 PM From: Peanuts And as we have all learned, the past repeats it's self. McCain isn't stuck in the past, he's saying he can lead now. There's no room for a learning on the job. | |
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9/26/2008 8:09:24 PM From: Peanuts Ummm... yes we are.
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| 9/26/2008 8:09:58 PM From: Peanuts That's why we finish the job. | |
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| 9/26/2008 8:11:10 PM From: MrsK It's a matter of opinion. In My Opinion you Can Not win a war that is only going to flare up as soon as you turn around. A war that has been going on for centuries before the U.S. ever existed, and will continue to wage for centuries after. | |
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| 9/26/2008 8:12:30 PM From: MrsK Finish what job? What do you propose that we kill everyone alive in a country that is not your own? I maintain - Take care of our own problems and let the rest of the world deal with thier own. and please dont' tell me that we are fighting because they attacked us. Iraq did not attack us. | |
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| 9/26/2008 8:13:45 PM From: Peanuts McCain kicked ass on foreign affairs. Obama hit home with the class warfare with his tax break for 95% of America. But if you listen to McCain he explains that you can't work if you don't have a job. A company will pay 13% taxes in another county as apposed to paying 35% here in America. | |
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| 9/26/2008 8:15:00 PM From: MrsK Well fighting in Iraq and spending billions of dollars a month on it, it not creating jobs. | |
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| 9/26/2008 8:15:00 PM From: MrsK Well fighting in Iraq and spending billions of dollars a month on it, it not creating jobs. | |
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| 9/26/2008 8:15:20 PM From: MrsK oops! | |
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| 9/26/2008 8:17:07 PM From: Peanuts McCain kicked ass on foreign affairs. Obama hit home with the class warfare with his tax break for 95% of America. But if you listen to McCain he explains that you can't work if you don't have a job. A company will pay 13% taxes in another county as apposed to paying 35% here in America. | |
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| 9/26/2008 8:17:32 PM From: MrsK And frankly I hope to God there is room to learn on the job. I would hate to have a commander in chief who thinks he knows everything and has all the answers. | |
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| 9/26/2008 8:18:19 PM From: MrsK You just said that Peanuts. *giggles* Apparently my doulbe posting is contagious. | |
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| 9/26/2008 8:18:36 PM From: Peanuts What the fu**? I hit page refresh and then it went to retry screen. I hit retry and it reposted my post? | |
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| 9/26/2008 8:20:04 PM From: Peanuts I think we tried to post at the same time and it made a clitch, a fu** up, what ever. | |
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| 9/26/2008 8:21:12 PM From: Peanuts Obama is dangerous! Fact! | |
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9/26/2008 8:21:52 PM From: MrsK Ok, I really want to stay up and hasj this out, but I gotta get up at 3.  I will definately be back tomorrow afternoon though. Everyone have fun! | |
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| 9/26/2008 8:30:28 PM From: Rani I missed most of the debate myself...grrrr. |  |
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| 9/26/2008 9:02:50 PM From: Rani I can tell you I will be dogging the TV for the Biden/Palin debate. That is going to be interesting. | |
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| 9/26/2008 9:08:04 PM From: Rani Ok went to CNN and watched what I missed. Basically both was saying the same stuff concerning the Economic crisis we are in. Both agree this trainwreck was coming and nothing was done to stop it. (sound familiar) Both are calling for tighter regulations and accountability. McCain emphasized keeping institutions stable and looking for other options beside Government bailouts for failing institutions While Obama reminds us that the Government needs to look at what brought us to this crisis and fix it keeping the regulations and accountability on a day to day basis and not only during times of crisis. | |
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| 9/26/2008 9:13:17 PM From: Rani Interesting on the Tax cuts, McCain wants to focus on getting spending and corruption under control believes giving tax cuts to large business will encourage business in America not outsourcing. (Great point McCain) He also states he will veto every spending bill that comes across his desk. I am not so sure that is feasible. Obama states that due to the many loopholes large business already have, American business in actual pay the lowest taxes of any country and there is no need to give them more tax cuts on top of what they already have. Doing so is not going to stimulate the economy, tax cuts are needed across the board to people who need the breaks so that the average person has more spending money. That was some good stuff on both parts. | |
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| 9/26/2008 9:14:44 PM From: Rani I am going to have to go back and watch again about what Obama had to say about tunnel vision in Iraq. That tickles my interest. | |
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| 9/26/2008 9:21:49 PM From: Peanuts When Obama goes back to how we got to this point on economics he's trying to tie McCain to Bush. But then McCain reminds America that he acknowledges the train wreck and even went as warn them of of this pending doom years before. But was shot down by the democrates as well as some repulicans. | |
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| 9/26/2008 9:49:48 PM From: Peanuts Obama wants to invade Pakistan! | |
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| 9/27/2008 6:15:29 AM From: mercury He said "orgy".... hehehe :P |  |
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| 9/27/2008 7:01:10 AM From: PapaBryant Obama was awkward on many of his answers, showing his weakness without prepared texts. His ideas were the same old same old liberal prescriptions that have already failed. McCain was confident, and perhaps a little smug towards the end, probably because he could sense Obama was losing. Both men were dead wrong on the economic crisis; it wasn't caused by deregulation but by over regulation. The stimulus package is nothing more than armed robbery, with both parties driving the get away car. |  |
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| 9/27/2008 8:26:07 AM From: beags I'm not a fan of watching televised debates. I read the transcripts or listen to them on the radio. I think charisma and how people look has a lot to do with opinion.. think Kennedy and Nixon. After reading the debate on cnn.com, I really can't pick a clear winner. Both had valid points but both also fell short a few times. Aside from the candidates, from reading Lehrer's part in the whole thing, I'm not sure I liked him too much as a moderator. | |
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| 9/27/2008 8:27:58 AM From: beags Oh, and I think McCain's comparison of US's business tax to Ireland's business tax of 15% was bogus because Ireland taxes differently. I believe they are on a flat tax and we are not, so saying that it works for Ireland doesn't mean doo here in the states. | |
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| 9/27/2008 9:58:17 AM From: Peanuts McCain addressed that too. He said he wants to change the tax system and give the people a choice as to which one. | |
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| 9/27/2008 9:59:18 AM From: Peanuts And he brought up Ireland because business will move their companies to a country that taxes them less. This takes jobs from Americans. | |
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| 9/27/2008 10:00:34 AM From: Peanuts You know outsourcing? | |
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| 9/27/2008 11:21:06 AM From: beags Yeah, I understand... I know that moving companies to Ireland takes jobs away from America.. what I'm saying is that the tax systems are different. You can't lower business taxes to 15% here and have it work the same way as it does in Ireland. If we had a flat tax, maybe (because you'd be generating more money from the taxpayers so you could ask for less from the businesses), but not with the graduated tax we have now. For example: flat tax of 10%, no exceptions or deductions, + 15% from businesses, no loopholes or deductions = more money for the government to play around with. Graduated tax of whatever, plus deductions, loopholes, exemptions, etc = businesses get taxed more because there isn't as much money going into the tax pool. Sure, we could lower the business tax, but then you have to change the income tax by either raising it or making it more uniform across the brackets and cutting out exemptions. Don't think too many would go for that (although I don't think it would be so bad.. if it was a straight 10% and there were no refunds, hardly any of us working at a regular job with a paper trail would even have to file unless there was a dispute.. one less thing I'd have to do each year is fine by me). | |
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| 9/27/2008 7:46:42 PM From: Peanuts The one thing thats bothering me with the Republicans are they are making a political mockery of Obama saying he agrees with McCain. Both candidates as well as all Americans share the same ideals. So yeah he should agree with McCain and visa versa. I saw nothing wrong with Obama agreeing and in fact gave him points as far as I'm concerned. | |
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| 9/29/2008 4:26:15 AM From: BCAR The fact that American Companies (if it actually is a fact and not more Obama mumbo jumbo) is a good thing, it encourages investment. Dumb ass can't quite figure that the more you penalize a company with taxes and soaring benifit costs the more likely they are to move out of the country IE. GM, Ford, etc. |  |
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| 9/29/2008 4:28:50 AM From: BCAR The more I watch Obama the more he reminds me of John Kerry, what is it with the Dems and these articulate yet pompous talking heads spouting retoric? | |
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| 9/29/2008 7:00:13 AM From: MrsK Rhetoric - an effective means of communication. How dare we! lol | |
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| 9/29/2008 7:51:26 AM From: BCAR Same shit they have been talking since the Roosevelt Administration. | |
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| 9/29/2008 7:54:18 AM From: MrsK I'd rather see another Roosevelt than another Bush. At least Roosevelt ended the deppression. | |
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| 9/29/2008 9:12:21 AM From: BCAR WWII ended the depresion, along with free enterprise | |
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| 9/29/2008 9:15:50 AM From: MrsK You know, if it had been a republican in office you would say it was the Republican's sole hand in ending the depression... I am not surprised at such a warped reply. | |
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| 9/29/2008 9:16:43 AM From: eddo I'm sure WWII was somehow Bush's fault too... |  |
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| 9/29/2008 9:31:55 AM From: LiquidSnake You know, something I've realized since closely watching this election is that people are retardedly biased with this whole Republican/Democrat thing. I find it scary that some people will support a person in their party just because they are a part of that voter's party. It doesn't seem to matter to a rather large group of voters, be it republican or democrat, whether that candidate is an honestly good pick or not for president of probably still the most powerful nation in the world. |  |
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| 9/29/2008 9:37:42 AM From: MrsK Actually LS, this election is among the first I've seen with so many people crossing party lines for a various number of reasons. | |
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| 9/29/2008 9:37:57 AM From: LiquidSnake And while I did get to see most of the debate(missed the final half hour since I had to go to work), here are my thoughts.... I didn't like McCain's seemingly smug attitude towards the debate and how he was smiling like a jackass for most of it. He struck me as he was thinking the debate was a waste of his time and that he was above it. He also rarely looked directly into the camera nor hardly directly spoke with Obama on the issues. He had that attitude, to me, that most rich people display, with the big fake cheesy smile and acting like their above speaking directly to those who make less them then or feel they are of a lower class or something. On the issues they spoke of, Obama had the upper hand with the economy, and McCain does seem to have the upper hand in foreign politics, but I'm not too concerned about that considering Obama picked Biden as his running mate, who has about the same level or more foreign policy experience as McCain, so it evens out. I also laughed whenever Obama mis-said McCain's name, calling him Tom, Jim, then John lol. | |
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| 9/29/2008 9:38:49 AM From: LiquidSnake True, MrsK, but I've read tons of articles about plenty of neanderthals who still would choose solely based on party affiliations, regardless of the candidates stances or experience. | |
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| 9/29/2008 9:43:51 AM From: MrsK Yeah the last candidate I saw with that smugness was... was... JR. | |
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| 9/29/2008 9:50:01 AM From: mercury And someone forgot to give him some lips :P he had a horrible makeup artist, and we know what happens when you hire bad make up ;o) | |
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| 9/30/2008 8:14:51 AM From: timesjoke Just curious, everyone does know that businesses don't really pay taxes right? Cost of doing business means a business will take all it's costs from wages to taxes and will price it's products to be sure they make a profit. If the government raises their cost of doing business through increased taxes, then the company adjusts the price of the products to maintain their profit. Consumers pay all taxes. |  |
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| 10/1/2008 1:37:38 AM From: hugo ^^^^^^^^False | |
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| 10/1/2008 6:06:35 AM From: BCAR Busineses price their products to match the market. If they can't be competitive they close or move out of the country. | |
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| 10/1/2008 7:26:53 AM From: Ali "Businesses don't really pay taxes"? Oh yeah? Then my tax man is a damn liar. | |
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| 10/1/2008 9:45:36 AM From: hugo Whe I was self-employed I paid no taxes. That 14 month absence from the internet was due to being in the federal pen. | |
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